posted by heavytrash at 8:00 AM
What a view!
How is a gated community different then an apartment complex?
What insanity ! With all the issues that face the world and this city this is what we are worried about? Get a life, get some education,get a real job and then you too can afford to move to a gated community!
A gated community removes streets, sidewalks, and parks from the public realm whereas an apartment complex only encloses private property.
I read your comments about gated communities and it left me confused. Park La Brea is an apartment complex. Why were they targeted? And why do you decline toindentify yourselves, if you believe that you are right? Is there something you are ashamed of?
As architects and designers you should not focus you attention on making a random, anonymous statement against gated communities with these installations. You should educate your clients and convince them of this social issue while steering them towards a better design alternative. I'd bet the shirt on my back that these "anonymous" architects/designers are up to their neck in private, elite, residential design. Otherwise you would have no problem communicating openly with the public on issues such as these.
The four walls of your house are a gated community you morons!
I can appreciate the sentiment. A friend once commented that living in Park La Brea was like living in Poland. However, before they put up our gate, parking was problemmatic .. .with people visiting LACMA taking up our parking spaces. . .instead of paying for parking at the museum.fyi. . .your viewing spot is not outside Park La Brea. The Palazzo at Park La Brea is under separate ownership. WP
I think all of your projects are pretty cool. I wasn't sure about it at first, because I didn't really understand the difference between gated communities and enclosed private property. But I looked through your site and you guys make some really good points, and it's good that you do it without being randomly destructive.
The streets and parks you believe are removed from public access are private property, and hence can be so removed. Just like your yard and your house. Maybe we should all take a walk through your house sometime if you think public access is so great. If you don't like walled communities, then don't live in one. Let others have the CHOICE as to where they will live.
The alleged 'streets, parks, sidewalks, etc.' encompassed by a gated community are PRIVATE PROPERTY! They aren't removed from the public realm any more than is the ground under the foundation of a home or apartment complex. There is no logical difference between a home, an apartment complex, and a gated community - all are private property segregated from public/other property by either walls or fences as desired by the owners and inhabitants.Trying to usurp or rail against the right to do as one wishes with private property is akin to assailing free speech or any of the other cornerstones of our way of life (i.e., stupid - if you don't like freedom go live somewhere else where property laws are routinely ignored by the government).
To those who dislike what Heavytrash is attempting here, please take a few deep breaths, and ask yourself this: "Why are these people doing this?"--- Honestly ask yourself this. If you have the brain power to make it this far, then why not go a step further: Look at the Heavytrash website.If you have the capacity for reasoning to get to this point, then you might as well keep going with this, Read their material, take a look at their Bibliography its a list of their sources it will tell you what they researched before performing this act, and it might give you an idea why some say gated communities are not all peaches and cream.If you really want to prove that you have the capibility for abstract thought, then why not follow this all the way and read some of Heavytrash's sources. You just might change your mind on this subject.... But then again you would probably call it "Flip-floping" on the issue.To those of you who think that heavytrash members are ashamed of their actions, I will ask you a simplistic question: "Why did the lone ranger wear a mask?" Or, for that matter, anyone who did a subversive act. Think about it, what do engineers, city planers and architects have to lose by doing something like this?Honestly people, I'm dissapointed at some of the comments left here, If you disagree with someone, it dosn't mean you call them names, or use poor simplistic examples that don't fit the situation. My faith in the human's ability to reason is faltering. Makes me wonder if we really are doomed as a species.Don't let me down people. I don't care if you disagree with Heavytrash, I care if you don't use your heads.
Thank you for trying to make people think. It is a tough job. I appreciate it, and what you are doing.
Well done!Here in South Florida, gated "communities" are propagating like a virus. I dislike all of them and particularly abhor the ones that have zero lot lines, cookie cutter houses and no class whatsoever and require a visitor to present a form af identification, which is duly noted down as is the license tag number of the entering vehicle. More power to the members of Heavy Trash!Landt
What gives you the right to invade others privacy and property?
Very nice work! A nice way to provoke thought without violence or "in your face" protests. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!
this is truely the dumbest protest ever mounted, YOU PEOPLE ARE THE REASON WHY GATED COMMUNITIES EXIST!
"Good fences make good neighbors."
That's pretty funny, but couldn't you like decorate them better, ormaybe you could leave a register. But really, aside from being comical.. do you think this might encourage negative-voyuerism, you know, like giving wierdo's an invitation and excuse to peep on people? I would have a problem with it if you put one of these behind my house, and on the other side of my not-so-private-as-these fence line.. I mean how would you like it if somebody did this to your neighborhood? Regardless of whether you had a ritzy address or not, and why don't you target the builder's house, not the schmuck who wanted a bigger house?
<<"Gates and barricades that separate people from one another also reduce people's potential to understand one another and commit to any common or collective purpose.">>A'hem...Maybe they do not want to understand the people they are keeping out. Considering 'who' they are keeping out, I would not want to 'understand' them either.Also, your comparison about the Berlin Wall is backwards. The Westerners are the ones inside the gated communities and the people being gated out, are the East Berliners. In this case, the 'westerners' have no desire to look over the wall that they built to preserve life and the sanctity of theirs homes and families from thugs, rapists, thieves, murderers, and uncivilized cretins.Thank you
Whatever side of the fence your on the lines of communication are now open to all. Keep it up for the rest of us!
You guys are out of your minds. What possibly gives you the right to conduct these acts of urban terrorism on neighborhoods that just want to feel safe by living in a gated community? What's next for Heavytrash? Torching SUV dealerships in the name of your cause ala ELF 2003? Find something useful to do with your time and money. Save the environment or feed the homeless or throw yourselves off a bridge. Anyone of those would do the public a lot more good than platforms that look into peoples yards.
You people are complete MORONS! What a waste of resources. Why don't you come up with an issue that is really important and quit wasting time on issues no one but your extremist group cares about!
Living in a gated community is a choice many people are very happy to make. It does reduce the crime rate. In some neighborhoods it also reduces the number of dangerous wild animals roaming private streets.For example, in Simi Valley there were a number of reported attacks on children by coyotes last year (fortunately the children survived). A few years ago there was a mountain lion that attacked some bikers in the Los Angeles hills (one was killed).Also, many of the communites that you are so against physically OWN the streets that are within those gates. Making those streets private property. The Homeowners pay for all street repairs, sewage problems, rain damage, lighting, landscaping, private security, water, etc. that happens within those gates. All of these things the city and state pay for in all the NON-gated communities. In other words, they are paying MORE for the services they have, since they are paying both with their taxes for the entire city AND paying with their homeowners dues for their private community.It really is too bad that some people are so jealous of others that they feel they must make an issue out of haves and have nots.
Boring. And too simple-minded. "Here's a platform to look over a wall". Come on- I expect more of art and social commentary and you all should expect more of your own minds.
love it ... i highly suggest reading margaret atwood's new novel "oryx and crake" ...
Snip - "The four walls of your house are a gated community you morons!"Obviously an abused child wrote this...Your home is an element of the community; you are part of the glue that binds that community… Wake up and smell the Starbucks cubby, you belong to the “whole” that is LA!~~~~~~~~I think what you are doing is great! We aren't in the middle ages where a moat and castle provide protection for the Earl and his serfs...The fact that someone can restrict access to what I pay taxes on pisses me off; the streets, parks and other green areas are public not private lands. Further still the mere thought of having some elitist jackass telling me what color I can paint my house or which landscape architect I have to use is worse (home owners ass-ociations & CC&R rules) <-- this sort of keeps me out of the “Muffy and Biff” zone anyway I guess~~~~~~~~"WE" are a community "WE" need to join forces to make all of this work.There is an old saying that goes "a house divided falls" This goes for everything at a granular level on up!Nuff' said
I'd love to know where the members of Heavy Trash live. Do they live where I live? Do they travel one block from their home to see gang tags and wish they could put a wall up around their street where they live because yet another stolen car was left in front of their neighbor's home or because their neighbors house was broken into? I think it's natural for people to want to try and "buy" safety and/or exclusivity. If I had the money to move, I would. Maybe not to a gated community but I know what it's like to want to be safer. I think it's a luxury afforded only to those living outside of a situation to point to that situation and make grand totally useless gestures.
cool idea, but I think the person who said they need to look like watch towers is right... not many people get the idea of the Berlin Wall viewing towers. Oh, and the gated community could put a sharp shooter in the Tower to make them safer, and your towers won't get torn down. Why is everybody anonymous, isn't that kinda like putting up a gate?
Yeah, maybe, if you are a collectivist. I think I've identified the debate. It is the communists vs. the anti-communists, redux.When are all of you going to learn to stick to your side of the echo chamber?P.S. Someone is going to get hurt on the tower and sue. Maybe the Wendy's finger lady is already on the case. Whee. Thanks for opening this amazing and insightful dialog, Heavytrash...really.
As a project manager for a Contracting company, I see more and more gated communities being built. City planners in our area are all for it due to the fees and upgrades the developer must pay to the City and/or County and into the school system. Not all gated communities are for well to do "rich" people which is the misconception here. In this area, gated communities are now called "low income housing". The stand you have about gated communities is confusing to me as I do not understand how you are saying that these are taking away public access to parks and sidewalks? First of all, the City or County where the gated community is to be built, must approve all design and intent from a developer. Perhaps you should take your fight there. Second of all, the developer is the owner of the property - it is not property that you call "public" land and public parks. Parks or "greenbelts" within a development are for the use of the homeowners and is one of the reasons they pay HOA dues every month! If you don't like gated communities, then maybe your first action should be to curb the infiltration of people coming into this country who are taking away homes from people who live here legally and pay into the system and who still cannot afford to purchase a normal home. There is no reason attacking the people who live in these communities - most of the time this is what the people can afford to purchase for a home. Whenever a new development is built, there are meetings to approve the development and get input on the general plan. Contact your local city department for more info. You state that you are a group of Architects and city workers, so shouldn't you already know the drill? Just some food for thought.
I think you shouldn't tell others what to think.
Thank goodness for all the designers and architects! I really have been tiring of the government thinking for me. I can't believe they haven't given artists a turn yet!I for one welcome our new design overlords!Right or Left, you're flattening my life.Pathetic, but nonetheless, I support your freedom to be as much of a thoughtless douchebag as you may think all of the families living in gated communities are.
I think the Orange Towers (if you can call them that) are just another PR stunt to gain some 15 minutes of fame. It's ridiculous. If people that can afford a gate or wall around their homes want one, then let them build whatever they want. Maybe they don't want to visit on their porches with idiots like HEAVY TRASH. After reading your Facts and Myths section, I had to laugh. That was the biggest crock of Sh*t I've ever seen. Weak arguments and a weak organization in my mind. Why don't you spend your time helping the homeless in Los Angeles? Help the less fortunate or those that are affected by Domestic Violence or Drug abusers. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!JEEEEZ!!! This is definitely proof that Natural Selection is a crock!
You people really need to be shot. People deserve their privacy, and you've decided to attempt to violate it.
That is why I DON'T live in wacky LA. Your organization gives people in that area a bad name (if it was even possible after PETA.)As stated before, spend your resources more wisely.
I’m enraged at this senseless protest for two reasons. For the many of you who don’t live in Los Angeles, what the site owner neglected to show you was the giant Pan Pacific Regional Park and community center across the street from one of his “viewing” platforms, which was erroneously placed at a location not named in his protest. Isn’t that enough “green”?Secondly, we need more walls and more separation between the decent citizens of this world and the unwashed masses. I am all for gated communities, and hope to one day live in a place free of trash, homeless people, graffiti, noise and crime. I don’t see our civic leaders stepping up, and it is only through private efforts that city dwellers can achieve a sense of serenity in an otherwise chaotic world.
My locked and gated community (my home)prevents things such as dangerous people from hurting my family. My family is #1 priority and just as I would not send my child out on a bike without a helmet or go to sleep without my doors and windows being secure, I would put a locked gate around an gaurded private community also. My house is not a PUBLIC park, and if i pay my money for PRIVATE PROPERTY it is my right to choose what I want to do with it and who i want to allow access to it. If I wanted the community at large to have all access I would have moved to a communist country. Perhaps that is what you are confusing with your rants. Nice idea, bad conception.
Wow. This is incredibly craptacular. What a waste of time and stupidity. Surely you could use your powers of stupidity for something more purposeful. Oh wait...maybe not.
You guys act on topics most are scared to speak of. Very commendable. Your past projects are great. Keep it up. You inspire many to educate. Obviously its an uphill battle. Wish I could help.
What a waste of time and energy - mine. I want the time back that I spent reading to see if these people had any valid points. All I saw was some '60s rhetoric.To paraphrase a song that I disagreed with in the first place...Whoa, walls, walls.Everywhere a wall.Blockin' out the scen'ry.Breakin' my mind.Do this. Don't do that.Can't you see the walls?It's just as stupid and communal now as it was then.
I just posted a comment to the Photo Album page. I won't repost it here but in reading the comments above, particularly those objecting and expressing outrage, a thought-a suggestion for refinement- occured to me.I'd be willing to bet that if you installed some kind of a meter, like those used on pay-toilets, perhaps with a small gate, and a sign along the lines of: "25¢ for 15 mins." that no one would think twice about it and there would be no complaints. Probably the only problem you'd have would be thieves attempting to break the meters and steal your loot. Further refinement: After writing the above it just occured to me that you might incure some legal liabilities as the local municipality would take a dim view of anyone stepping on their turf. Both problems can be solved by making sure the meters were inoperative. In addition, Out of order signs would be a good idea. But they should not be too conspicuous, at least from a distance.-Barry Freed
Interesting. This is what happens when people have too much time on their hands. They make an analysis of what the other guy is doing, cast judgment, and try to raise public awareness. It's just like the whole vegan/vegitarian/meat eater debate.Who are you to tell me where and how to live. I don't care how you live, it's none of my business, so please do me the same, keep your nose out. Furthermore if you built one of those annoying orange platforms in front of my community, I would go outside with my hammer, wreking bar, and drill/driver and take it apart and recycle the wood into something useful.
The viewing platforms are a bit silly, and not immidiate in it's protest message. You have to explain their reason for being there before anyone takes them for something more than a utility workers platform.Miniature mock guard towers to make the gated community seem more like a heavily guarded fortress would have drawn more attention and been more appearent as to the protest reasoning.
There's a HUGE difference between being financially secure and locking yourself out of public view. WHAT ARE "THESE PEOPLE" AFRAID OF??!!Good job, keep fighting the good fight.
As a Landscape Architect who practiced in California for years before relocating to the east coast, I have to say that I think the actions here are misguided. I heard of this in an article that cited "Heavy Trash, a coalition of anonymous architects, designers and urban planners" and the message they were trying to get across. I wonder why these non-descript platforms that offered no educational opportunity for the public are the medium they chose to use. I couldn't imagine a design professional in Southern California thinking that this was the best way to communicate their concern about gated communities. Development in LA, San Diego and Orange Counties is driven by homebuilders. If affecting change was really the goal of this project, I imagine they would have made some effort towards challenging a homebuilder to build an exclusive community without gates. Hell, they're all designers, right. Design a Master Plan for a make-believe community and show people how things can work better than the way they're criticizing. That would be the professional, intellectual, effective way of making changes. Shock value statements are for people who have no other reasonable method of communicating.
Homeless people in the streets, kids going hungry and/or abused on a daily basis, women raped, gangs in the streets, war in the world.And you are worried about people who are doing nothing more than making their living and choosing to live inside a gated community to feel safer from all the evil deeds in this world?Find a better outlet for your repressed aggressions. Feed a starving child, or help a homeless family get back on their feet. Watchtowers are just plain silly and misguided.
what a completely stupid and useless protest. I live in a NON gated community outside chicago and have had my car broken into, my mailbox run over, and last year some idiot wannabe gang members spray painted gang symbols on the side of the retirees across the street from me. Im all FOR gates to keep idiotic teens and punk gang jackasses away from the homes that my neighbors and I work VERY hard to be able to afford. Why SHOULDNT we have some sort of seperation/protection from people who dont care about anything and want to destroy what they cant have?
But what's the message? Here is a platform, see how the other people with money live? Is that the message? Or is the message that there should not BE other people with more money, no walls, no gates, free access. What? To say there should be no walls is to deny reality. There is some serious crime out there. Some people use walls and gates to isolate themselves and their families from it. That's their choice. Others, well, not in Kalifornia, but in other states, use existing laws to carry concealed weapons to protect themselves from crime. Do only criminals have rights? It's my right NOT to be a victim. If that means a wall, or a gun, or a cell phone to dial 911, I have a right NOT to be robbed, beaten, or killed. Now, if your message was to point out the rising crime in American society, that makes walls and gates necessary, well, you blew it. No, I think your message was the usual liberal and misguided notion that the trouble with society is caused by the rich ignoring the poor. Don't like being poor? Get an education, get a job, work hard, and make something of yourself.
People in gated communities always talk about privacy and how it’s a god given right and how they cherish it so much etc.. They don’t really care about the spirit of what the forefathers considered privacy which would be privacy from the government not common citizens. They want there privacy from common citizens so they can act out deviant behaviors (i.e. child/spouse abuse, prescription drug abuse, etc.) kind of like Michael Jackson and his gated community. In a way it’s awesome that they are locked up behind bars where they should be.
Man, that rocks. Great idea and great execution. I will try to hunt them all down this week, I hope they are still up. Too bad the mentatility of the Gated Community is playing itself out in downtown LA's newest architectural specimens.. Disney Concert hall has a semi-public, gated upper plaza, the Cathedral has a semi-public gated plaza.. why is not one building fully accessible public space anymore? I realize these are private buildings - but they have lost an opportunity to really add public spaces to the downtown landscape. Instead we have a sidewalk, and security guards lording over the new plazas where your right to pass my be revoked at any time.
The art works good job! Arts job is to provoke public debate good, bad, or ugly. Look at all the gated citizens getting all defensive. Don’t worry Mr. or Mrs. gated they wont take down your walls and let criminals (gated lexicon for black people) come and steal your worldly possessions or rape all your white women. They just want to provoke public debate.
I'll be anonymous since the Heavy Trash clan won't go public either. Here's my challenge to the group: since you are builders, build a nice big massive building, say, a hundred thousand square-feet. I'm guessing that a building that size should contain the families of every member of Heavy Trash.Now, get as many beds, stoves and toilets that you need for that building, but there can be no walls or barriers between families within the building's outer walls. (I'd say no outer walls, either, but I'll allow those to keep out the wind and weather, but they should be made of glass lest, God forbid, someone might think you are creating a PRIVATE community to keep others out.)Give that a few months, all your families, inter-mixed, living together in perfect harmony. Tell us how it goes, keeping peace, harmony and sanity in your perfect communistic society.
I agree with your efforts to do away with gay communites. Why should they have their own sidewalks and parks? Let's all rise up and express our hatred for gay communities!
OH GEES HEAVYTRASH, HOW FRIGHTFULLY SUBVERSIVE! The problem isn't the gates, it's the sprawl, the cars, the lack of walkable civilised public space, density, public transit, etc. etc. Thousands of acres of single family suburbs, gated or not, is why LA is such a traffic-choked toilet.Who cares about the cheezy McMansion behind the gate? There's one just like it up the street anyway.
Nice work! Anything that is aimed at abusing the elitist public - in a non-permanent and non-destructive way - is worth the effort. Your message is ambiguous, arbitrary and somewhat misguided but it’s funny nonetheless. For your next effort, please work over the nimrods that use cell phones in public places.
The criticism of gated communities is valid and the many of the responses are engaging and thoughtful. Sadly this doesn't make the cut. Heavytrash has created a mild diversion from the daily grind by allowing us to have discourse over the internet while at work and return to our respective homes, both gated and ungated. The group must address a specific audience and be far less passive in any hope of influencing change, otherwise they are simply having fun. Fun is fun and nothing more. The rhetoricity of an orange play structure is confusing and innapropriate for this use. Then again, heavytrash may be more into the process than the results, and that of course is their fun.
What utter CRAP.Sorry I wasted even a few bits of bandwidth on this silly, stupid and totally useless site.As several have already pointed out: Get a job, get a life and MAYBE you too could live in the real world (gated or not).
Thank you for NOT having an explanation there - art is to be felt, seen and/or heard by its sheer existence. To hand us the message treats us like we're stupid - draw your own conclusions. People are so dam literal. You guys/gals are amazing - keep it up and I can't wait to see more!
Great job -- I'm an L.A. native (Redondo Beach) and it's really made me sad to see how things have changed for the worse since I was a kid. Thanks for calling attention to the problems gated communities create.
Wow, it's so exciting to see art as a protest! From one artist to another (or several others as it is) I'm so excited that you use your talents to express your views. It should be a real kick in the butt to everyone else to remember to use their talents for expression, for passion, for anything other than being hung in a dentists office. You guys rock the free world. Thanks!
Hmm, Gates versus Jobs?Lowly plywood lets apt jabs!Tongue lolls in cheery cheek.
I commend you for your clever and simple statement. The responses on the site are in large part depressing, but on the bright side, it takes a while for people to change their views and a bittersweet morsel like your viewing platforms are very apropos and will get the neurons firing. A lot of these people should read The Geography of Nowhere by Kunstler - he would be very proud of you, I'm sure.
See, what you really need to do is have little watchtower parties--a couple people go around at night with MagLites, or better, bright searchlights, and scan the interiors of the gated communities. Make them feel more like a prison-yard under scrutiny. You don't even need towers for that, simply roaming around the outside gates will do.
Good work. Even if everyone doesn't get it. Just don't dumb it down for the masses.
The gates are bad, but what is worse are the HOAs (you know, and for those who don't... Homeowners Associations). I want to live somewhere where I can paint my house paisley, if I so desire. Not among a bunch of compliance whores!
This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Just another examle of class envy.
I cant believe I stumbled across this web site... I'm in Columbus Indiana, and you people have nothing better to do with your talent than this? Geez our rich people dont build gates to keep people out they all live on the same main road that cuts through town showing off their houses. Yes its a smaller town, but if you are an artist you should be acquainted with Columbus Indiana, we are know for our art and architechture.Anyway, I think you all need to get a life. Dont you have better things to do with your time? Try a real cause, rally the homeless people in a demonstration through the middle of LA, Let the "rich" gated communities see how many there really are, then ask for some financial support to help them. Supposing that the Gated community is really as sheltered as you seem to think, maybe they need a wake up call to help out teh people that need help, not some silly orange art piece that makes no sense unless its explained. Good luck.
hmm, I was just down there and I missed seeing the orange towers. Guess they weren't obtrusive enough. Anyway, I don't really see the difference between a gated community and, say, a distant suburb. Both want to remove themselves from the fast-moving city, and people have to pay a premium to live there. If they want the additional serenity provided by walls and gates, surely that is their right? I have cruised through Park LaBrea on my bike, and although it looks fairly dull to live there, at least it is quiet. The noise and activity of the city are nice at times, but some people probably just want to remove themselves from it at times.
Hey! Great idea. When I first moved to LA I wanted to bike from Koreatown to the Farmer's Market and had to go a mile out of my way in the blazing August sun to get around stupid Park La Brea. On the way back, we sneaked through the gate behind a car and as we biked through, I speculated at the top of my lungs about just how feeble you need to be to require such protection from the scary, scary world outside. You guys rule. If you ever need help of a non-artsy, non-construction type, I'm there.
You guys are idiots. Don't you have anything better to do? If it took you an hour to put up one staircase, 43 people died of starvation in the U.S.Morons like you are what's wrong with the world... what a waste.
Heavytrash: how 'bout posting your address here so we can all come over and stare in your windows?
While I agree with how people "do not want walled fortresses dividing their neighborhoods or blocking off what would otherwise be public streets and sidewalks," we must also think of how crime is the whole reason why gated communities exist and combat that as well. To do otherwise would be like trying to put out a fire in a 2 story house by aiming hoses at the second story and not the first.
I love this idea! I have recently moved away from Los Angeles partly because of the elitism that permeates that city. One example of a neighborhood that succeeds in keeping a nice community feel without need of gates is Hancock Park where I lived for four years. Between gates keeping us from each other and no useful public transportation, I couldn't wait to leave! Now I am living in Europe with incredibly efficient public transportation (much nicer than driving) and nice friendly neighborhoods.
I have an idea! If you really want to have an impact or help to make a change in the world, join me in Iraq for my second tour. I have been there once and could show you around all of their gated commumities. Is all of this energy you are expending really doing anything for the greater good. Who is really harmed by a wall or fence? Is it wrong to want privacy and/or a sense of security? Why do you think we have the military we have? To provide safety and security for you and everyone else that lives behind the walls of the United States. Are our borders really that different from these gates and walls you are protesting against. I guess you are one of those groups that would open our country to anyone for any reason in the name of global equality. Guess what, we are not all equal in the world. There are bad people out there despite what your mom told you. Evil does exist. Get over it with these walls. Do something more constructive with your time!
How the weather up there?
lol this is a great way to waste your time isn't it?
It would be interesting to see statistics and hard data on delays caused by broken or malfunctioning gates that are keeping out emergency first responders! Do people die or homes burn down because the ambulance and fire truckess are waiting for a slow gate to open? How safe does that make you feel?
Heavy Trash...yep, that's exactly what it looks like to me too. Big, ugly, orange trash.
lol thank you! i needed a good laugh :)
Hm. Thoughtful. Of course some of the discussion here is certainly uneducated---but what kind of democracy would we be if required persons to pass an IQ test or display their diplomas prior to posting?I guess I am biased as and architect and urban designer. I like what you are doing, and I think your methods are very sustainable. I also can appreciate why you would only have 3 projects since 1997--you all have full time jobs I am sure, and anyone who has ever worked in this field knows it is rarely only 40 hours a week, and the pay is lacking.My spouse, though, makes enough money for us to live in a gated community in the burbs and own two gigantic SUVs. But because of our beliefs about the value of community, we live in a modest townhome adjacent to the train line, and own only one smaller vehicle. You couldn't PAY us to live in a gated community. We don't believe in fostering fear! Yay for you, Heavytrash; hope to see you expanding your organization nationally.
Backhoes and bulldozers are much more effective. Better still use the backhoes and bulldozers to rip down the gates and open the areas to the homeless and less fashionably ghettoized.
It is amazing to me how some of the anonymous posts on your site use personal attacks against you and other bloggers. I learned in my freshman logic class many years ago that using that type of argument automatically makes their opinion a fallacy.My more important concern is: Are these gated communities to which I can be kept out, serviced by my tax dollar? What I mean is am I paying for municpal services such as road/sidewalk maintenance, and I can't even walk down the road I paid for?If this is the case, then I think the problem is obvious. But, if the gated communities are truly private, meaning the home owners' association pays for everything, no tax dollars, I cannot truly see a problem with a gated community.
The USA is a gated country. We may see a gigantic viewing stand just south of the border any day. We could mash all the military hardware and build a nice ornate fence all around the country.
You guys are doing a great job, i love how so many visitors bitch about what you do, and yet wont hesitate to hide behind the 'anonymous' tag. its sad to know that most people cant appreciate the artistic value of something. also, it seems that most people have the concensus that youre not fighting the "real" problem. the fact is, heavytrash is in the US and not in another country, and so theyre fighting a local problem that many other cities within the same nation have. privatization is bad, and its great that theyre fighting it on a local level so that it will hopefully resonate to a larger level and will notify people to whats around them and where theyre going.
"Anonymous said... You guys are idiots. Don't you have anything better to do? If it took you an hour to put up one staircase, 43 people died of starvation in the U.S."You are saying that every hour 43 people in the U.S. die of starvation? So 376,680 die in the U.S. of starvation every year? Heart Disease: 696,947Cancer: 557,271Starvation: 376,680 <= ??? I don't think soStroke: 162,672Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,816Accidents: 106,742Diabetes: 73,249Starvation in the U.S. is extremely rare. Why don't we try feeding Ethiopia instead?
why are you spending your precious time posting statistical trash instead of feeding ethiopians?if you want to put these guys to shame, try doing just that instead of slandering what they do.
Who are you to dictate how people choose to live, and attempt to force YOUR values on others? If people want to live in gated communities they should be allowed to without YOUR morals being forced upon them.Typical liberals.
Yes, those damn liberals and their progressive ideals. Damn them and their push for equality.
Equality is one thing.Forcing morals upon people because of the way they choose to live is another.Everyone wants equality, not just idiot liberals. Liberals simply choose to play the self-loathing guilt card on anyone that has more.
Instead of making anonymous, useless expressions of disgust at people who merely want safety and anonymity why don't you do something to ease the burden of the homeless or reduce the urban crime that makes gated communities popular? Remember when your parents could let you play outside all day without checking up on you? Remember when you would go to sleep with the front door open except for a screen? Like it or not, America isn't safe any longer. Whatever your views on the homeless, THEY COMMIT CRIMES and are a public nuisance.
RIGHT! And anyone that doesn't put these things on gaited communities wants no one to be equal.It's community college liberals forcing ideals, their way, their beliefs and their morals on others.Liberals have turned into the preachy, overbearing cult they were orginally against when the party formed.
Exactly. It's self-loathing liberalism at it most high."Look, those people have things they've worked hard for! Let's guilt them into feeling like they are worthless because we don't like gates!" "Yeah! Go tell professor Pinko in our soc class, he'll give us all A's!"
Let's face the facts: L.A. just has some really LOW-LIFE, scummy, gangbanger trass, many of whom live here illegally, so why not put up a gate to keep the scum out of your neighborhood? If I had the money to have a nice house in a nice area I would do the same. There's nothing wrong with gated communities!
Gated communities are there to keep you safe and keep the trash out. They would not exist if there wasn't a need for it. Maybe if INS and the authorities did there job, people would not feel the need to live in such a place.
Thats's a pretty broad assumption about the homeless. I've only seen the guys eat out of trashcans and beg for money. Rarely do I hear about them robbing houses, more so than that, some of them rob people. If I'm not mistaken most home burglers are well off enough that they have houses.
This is the beginning of a realization of the barriers of cruelty set forth by those who believe mankind is viewed as a class and not as a people.Beautiful with my best regards:Nick Greencastle, IN
This is stupid. Are you smoking crack to come up with something like this?
Actually, the Park La Brea platform is in front of the Palazzo, a monstrosity, yes, but not part of Park La Brea at all. Park La Brea is an apartment complex within gates and not nearly as pricey or hoity-toity as the Palazzo crap. Park La Brea may be gated, but at least 40% of it is not, so I think you targeted the wrong place.
Keep up the good work, these walled off and guarded areas are popping up all over San Antonio as well.
I think what this boils down to is that the people living in these communities are separating themselves from others, effectively separating the country. It's a fact that these same people are very strict on who they'll let move in once they're moving out. It's just rich assholes being biggots.
I think your movement give people a great visual and has made us all think. You took what 'Bowling for Columbine' only touched on and stepped it up a notch. Its artistic, intellegent, and the best passive protest I've ever seen. Best of Luck on your future projects.
I heard a rumor that heavytrash is a group of architects who build multi million dollar houses exclusively. Is that true????
I am very frustrated by you people and your most recent project. If you want to quote Frost, let's use the same poem you used: "He is all pine and I am all apple orchard.My apple trees will never get acrossAnd eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors.'"And just as Frost and his neighbor chose, so have the residents of the communities you attempted to defile this week. Shame on you.Chad BrownNewport Beach, CA
Ridiculous,The safety and well being of person’s family far out weights some idiots political expression. While I would love to put rose glasses on and view our society the way you people do, the fact is there are bad people out there that will do harm. If having a gated community helps to protect one child, then it is worth it. How about instead of attacking people simply looking to protect their families you find a creative way to attack the real problem, the perpetrators of violent crime. I guess under your assumptions that walls create the problem then we should all leave our doors unlocked? I’d be willing to bet that you lock your doors at night. I would also be willing to bet that if you could, you would do everything possible to protect your families. Again, you should refocus your energies to actually stopping a problem and stop harassing hard working taxpayers.
not sure gated communities are so bad.. great idea though. How about some heavy trash project to expose corporate negligence at the expense of consumers? (pollution, health-safety, etc..) not sure how to do this.. but would be a good issue to address.
go take another hit out of your bong hippies and come up with another stupid idea...as for all you gated community haters, you can hate on my bmw and rolex losers
why dont the people putting up these communities reallocate their funds to fight crime then??
Good show. saw it in Rueters. I love the message. You all should come to Long Island ( NEW YORK) for some of your workings.Democratic society EXCEPT if you are not a town member, then you can't come in. Polititians claim we are one, but then put all these Lines In the Sand. Political parties, Townships, Race. There's no democracy here. Just rules.
Though I do not like the idea of gated communities, I respect people’s right to build and live in them. Just as one may not like this type of a protest against gated communities, they still have the right to do it. Yes, there are bigger problems out there, but this is a creative non-damaging commentary of the attitude of our society that may just indicate the systemic problem that contributes to larger issues like homelessness or domestic abuse.
nice. the upper/middle-upper classes are waging war againsteveryone else in this country.if you ask me, your statement isnot severe enough. keep fightingthe good fight.
You people are pathetic! Get lives and get the hell out of other people's business!If someone wants to live in a gated community let 'em! What are you all mad because you can't drive by and gawk at their houses????I now feel dumber for having read about your organization and I hope to one day see you losers out there erecting your sily little towers so I can laugh.
love it! build more of them. gated communities are for paranoids.
Why don't you take the wood and materials you're using to build these stupid things and make a box for a homeless person to sleep in for a few nights until the city takes it away???You might get some exposure for that too!!!!
You have simply reinforced one of the reasons for having the gates in the first place. As part of your protest you have placed an object on property that is not yours. The gates successfully stopped the protest outside the neighborhood. In an era where eco-nuts burn down mansions, keeping do-gooder protestors away from people's homes is a success.There are inconveniences to those within to having gates. If instead you focused on the criminals instead of the productive law-abiding citizens in the gated communities, and the criminals stopped their criminal ways, the gates would naturally come down by themselves. But, I realize it's so much easier and safer to pick on law abiding citizens than to focus on the real problems which might bring you face to face with people who would just as much shoot you as speak with you.Donwww.danzfamily.com
Someday I'm going to make enough money to live in one of those communities. Then I'm going to build a tower on the INSIDE so I can see people like you all out there. Then I will proceed to throw stuff at you.
gated communities are gay, conservatives are faggots
those platforms are gay
why dont u guys stand next to the platforms that u put up?? are u scared to stay there?
u guys are badasses!! ur crazzzzzzzzzzzzy
Why don't you learn how to spell "you," it's not 'u'; fucking idiot.
fuck off faggot, did i spell it right loser
Acutually, no you didn't. You've clearly failed the first grade.
My family and I chose to live in our gate community. We enjoy the privilage of higher security where we have the freedom to walk our streets whenever we choose. If we wished to live with blacks or other ethnic peoples we would but we choose to live with those of our own class and race. Keep you foolish platforms away and try to improve your own lot in life.
That's one of the most racist things I've ever heard.
come on i just got held back a few times u faggot
Is the idea, like those viewing platform, they had in westberlin to view into the "east". I do like the concept, it is brilliant
go build a platform you piece of shit
If I choose to live isolated away from lower class peoples then I should be allowed to do so.
For those that think there is nothing wrong with gated communities, I suggest reading Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake (2004) - its a chilling account of what our world may yet become as we continue to isolate and segregate privileged from less so.
get a life platform fuckers
My family and I choose not to associate with blacks or other inferior races. It is only a simple statement, probably not very popular but I have the money to do this and this is how we choose to live and feel much more protrected away from thess lower class persons.
fuck u biggot
You guys rock. I love the concept of a 'viewing platform'. Reflects the gated communities back on themselves. Much like the way they gape and gawk at those out of their tax bracket, we can now gape and gawk back at them.Sometimes security might be necessary, like if you live in Ghost town in Venice, or around Macarthur Park, but come on, Los Feliz? Do these people REALLY think they need to wall off a part of Los Feliz?Thank you for making the banal and hopelessly self-involved a little uncomfortable. Props.
And just for your information, we do not allow blacks nor indians nor hispanics to purchase in our compound. It is for our own good and for our own security that these type of persons as selectively excluded. We all try to deal as little as possible with these other ethnics.
Wow. What a waste of human effort. With all the causes to champion...
Let us all look at what a gate is... a wall placed by a private citizen around his or her private property to denote the boundaries. A gated community, however, is the delineation of public and private spaces. The delineation is made by the owner of the land, ie the developer, not the private home owner. Maybe the focus should be on the developer rather than the homeowner, the buyer determines what sells. In addition, yes, homeless people commit crimes, ie trespassing, loitering, etc. the homeless are not the ones to fear in our society, it's the children of those in gated communities who are socially inept and have no way to express dicontent other than runnig over homeless people, or making racial slurs, or maybe just getting daddy's gun and shooting up a school. The two in NJ were well of, as were those at Columbine. The point is that violence happens, gates or not, all the gate does is show those committing crimes where the most money and resources are. As someone or other said, Every innovation is its own demise. Look at South America and their gated population. Just be sure and smile when the hardworking joes out there get tired of being used to fill your pockets and come calling for some payback. There has yet to be a gate built to defend against human decency.Keep it up... Every revolution is at one point a joke and the other a tradition.
Too bad you left wing assholes can't leave others alone who wish to live peacefully and with at least some reduced risk of fear of being robbed, killed or assaulted. If you want to do somethimng meaningful why don't you go save a whale, help the homeless or put you efforts towards cleaner air or water. Losers!
TEAR DOWN THE OCCUPATION/APPARTEID WALL IN PALESTINE!
yeah, fighting palestines problems is americas top priority, because you know, theyre americans, dumbass.
I think it is typical that the people who do these things frequently are ashamed to take responsibility for their actions. Instead they hide behind anonymity. If they really thought what they they were doing was important, they would identify themselves and engage in a public debate about the merits of gated communities.
Dumbass? Why do idiots like you indentify by country?? We're all fucken humans and when our brothers in Palestine are being locked up behind a wall, hell it's not a BAD thing to stand up and YELL!! TEAR DOWN THE WALL!! It's fucken earth dumbass
what are you talking about joe? these people at least have a site, and so can be contacted, most of the people commenting wouldnt dare give up their anonymous status due to fear
I realize we're all human, but the fact is, I live, and heavytrash lives in the United States, and Palestine isn't my problem right now, you have to start small.
In a free society, people should generally be allowed to do what they want with their private property as long as that usage doesn't directly violate others' rights. I think that gated communities often reflect the vacuousness of those who choose to live in them. That said, I don't understand how those who choose to live in gated communities violate others' rights directly. This "protest" is ill-conceived.
u should put this badass platform next to the great wall of china
Another piece of poetry you did not quote, "good fences make good neighbors". You guys are either building the very walls you hate so much or you are just snivelling cry babies that cant afford a gate of your own.
gates and locks keep people honest. how would you like it if stranges were hanging outside of your house just chill'n cause they were on a public sidewalk. or lets say you your wealthy or famous and there was a crazy fan waiting for you to get home? we need walls in this country to keep people in line in certain areas, but i know if you don't like walls go live in compton i'm sure there are no walls there and that way everyone everyone can enjoy the public streets and sidewalks... get real you want to make a change build a shelter not orange towers feed the hunger or just help the children cause the truth is no one cares about you moment it's not important........
I can't believe that anyone would have to time to protest such nonsense. You guys need to find a charity of some kind to invest your free time on something worthwhile.
SHUT THE FUCK UP LOSERS, GO KILL YOURSELF, HANG YOURSELF FROM ONE OF THE PLATFORMS.
u fucking peeping toms, go get a porno
someone said "truth is no one cares about you moment it's not important......."i care. if locks keep people honest, why do houses still get broken into?
I think its AWESOME! People need to open their eyes to the conformity, close-mindedness, and segragating lifestyles we lead...or should I say being taught in the media. RIGHT ON HEAVYTRASH!!
I understand your right to exercise your freedom of speech and I also think "gated communities" do instill fear and a sense of elitism, but your orange towers you chose to place in front of neighborhoods does not send out the right message. If anything, it just pisses people off and makes them more resistant to hear what you're really trying to say.
I have never thought about this issue before, but now that I have... I understand the reason for your action.Well done
I live in urban Kansas City because it is what I can afford. My house has been broken into three times in seven years. There is a crackhouse 4 doors down. The police know the owner and joke and laugh with him in his front yard when they are harassed to come and do something about the zombies that bang on our doors at 4am with crazy stories to try and get money. As far as I am concerned, it is the radical liberal groups like Heavy Trash that have created a lot of the crime problem. The attitude that everyone is entitled, (even those who refuse to do the right thing like work), to the same housing, same quality of life, is wrong. It has created a whole class of people waiting for the hand-out that working folks are forced to provide. More power to the people who are taking back their family's right to safety and peace.
We should all start driving up and requesting access. Can they legally keep us out if indeed our tax dollars go to maintaining the roads, etc? Might change their minds about the gates if they have no legal right to keep them closed...plus the traffic jams might be pretty amusing.
Thanks to Yahoo for spreading the word. More thought provoking than most news stories.
Rock the fuck on! I love what you are doing! If I make a suggestion, how about painting those towers Bright Green or Bright Yellow so they glow in the dark. I'd like to donate paint and wood if that is possible? Will you be building more for the communities you mentioned? And do you repair damaged towers? And how safe are they? You don't need a lawsuit for someone standing on that shelf on top! Rock on---->You rock better than Neil Young!!!!!
Free Will and personal choice aside; one parameter that seems missing from your nifty little project is to include ALL social stratta.Does the gated fortress HOA elitism foster more social disconnection than say: gang crime, cultural separatism (printed in 12 languages no less), and neighborhood apathy? I personally take pride in the upkeep of my property. An aesthetic I cherish just as you cherish yours in this case. If some neighborhoods gets trashed with graffiti (art crime eh?) or busted cars and appliances stacked out on the dead lawn tell me THAT doesn’t dissolve social cohesion more than a gated community.Or does crime? But would you argue it’s the rich or well off that suppresses the ‘lower classes’ to live such? BS! So I suggest going to the more- bad ass neighborhoods FIRST and paint over the gang tags and urine puddles. Then the walls may just come down a bit.
hey it's too soon for people to understand your point - they still afraid to death of percieved dangers (sex offenders, youth crime - all just a minor fractions of the huge numbers of petty crimes.) The posts here proves my point...You should contact culture jammers and ad-busters they have some very innovative ideas ("take back the street", etc.)
Public Access to Urban Space is fundamental to a healthy democratic society. Gated Communities not only represents a way of Residential Socioeconomic Segregation but withdraws large parts of the city that should be public from the public realm. Im not an Angelino i live in Costa Rica, and though most of the developments here are in that kind of "urban form" there is no argument here against it, and it is troubling that a democratic society doesnt argue against something that at the long term affects its own foundations based on the public access. You can argue as i have read here, that there are another cases of gating but Gated Communities make a dangerous stand. "You can live here if you pay to, live by our rules and in our terms".And beside it access from outside its screened by guards, behavior its regulated, etc etc etc.And to the guys here that dont see it, check it, cause when you signed the contract that allows you to live there, you are resigning from several constitutional rights.
I really like what you people are doing; it's very admirable! I think it is wonderful that you are using public art/installations as a means to raise consciousness of social issues that hold importance. I hope your next project will get more people talking and encourage change!
lick my dick white boy, BLACK POWER, racist bitches
Nice ladders to success!
As a City engineer I find it interesting that so many of you think that you have a right to travel across private property. Most housing subdivisions started out as farms or larger pieces of land. When a developer builds homes he is required to make certain improvements. Usually that would require building a paved street for access to the different properties in the development. The sole purpose for "local residential street" is for access to those properties. These owners do not have the obligation to provide recreational facilities to the rest of the general public. A homeowner's group may also be maintaining a "private" street with its own money. Gas tax and such is being used to maintain streets that are considered essential for an areas transportation purposes. I see no difference between this and a large "high density" condo complex with a private gym and pool. Would you insist that the public have full access to those facilies? I see this issue as nothing more than class envy. I recently had my home burglarized and I discovered that the police in the LA area do not give high priority to property crime. No police officer even came to the house. Finger prints were taken 3 days after the event. You get a "civil patrol" person and a form to get you started with your insurance claim. You do have insurance don't you? As far as I'm concerned these people have a perfect right to do whatever they can to protect themselves, their families and their homes.
As an artist... I see nothing in your creations, but wishfull thinking of communistic society. I know... I came from one of those 'workers paradise' where everything 'belonged' to the people. Maybe you guys should look up what is the defination of; left, socialistic, communism, corruption, hunger, hopelessness means. Then go out and help the needy and you become a better person. Don't mock a hard working people who earn their keep and whatever they posess. Go to Cuba and see the gateless community. After all, everyone is equall there.... poor.
keep it up
i don't agree with the re-zoning of public areas to appease the rich. that said, i do agree with a private group to purchase land and build their own communities. i live in just such a place. the entire community is private. the police can't even turn in unless they are called. so re-zoning is wrong, but not all gated communities are re-zoned areas. try and remember that
Someone needs to grow up a bit. I see this all the time. This is nothing more than hey-look-at-me-I'm-trying-to-be-controversial.Now that you have our attention a half-intelligent point would be great. Did you really even think this through? You're an embarrassment to the activists that actually put some thought into what they do. Go back to school!
Great Deal Brothers and Sisters!Hey can you put one up at the whitehouse? I Would REALLY Love to see inside those pearly gates. How about one outside Chevron or hey even Haliburton!... Man what a blast....
I think what you guys are doing is great. It is a shame that it takes a group of "guerilla designers" to point out the obvious.Those of you who disagree with what these people are doing should just go back to your elitist neighborhoods and whine about minorities moving in or something- or just stop being pricks and open up your communities.
If you take the gates off a gated community you’re left with suburban sprawl. So I applaud the effort to bring the issue of gated communities into the media spotlight, but in reality it is just another version of the suburban sprawl debate.At a very basic level, and in a very powerful way, our communities shape our personal beliefs and perspectives. At its core, this issue reflects the social issue that many people in our society are scared or paranoid of their fellow citizens in the lower economic brackets. Individuals have a right to isolate themselves from other classes if they choose, whether in a gated community or a subdivision in the burbs that houses like-income families (after all it’s the American way). Each of these development patterns is a way of avoiding the social problems of the lower and middle classes, by building a “community” that excludes them via private property or zoning restrictions and property costs (can you blame them, there are some tough social issues out there). However, the social implications and ‘costs’ of doing so are substantial, in that, this segment of our society (the most powerful) has no idea ‘how the other half lives’. But again it’s a free society and they have the right to live as they please, so the most we can do is bring this to their attention, and try and build a civil discourse around it. Props to Heavy Trash.Personally my idea of a community is one that includes a broad spectrum of society, one that can only be found in a city or large town. Before I catch the train to work every morning, I walk down to the coffee shop and catch a cup of joe with whoever is down there; owners of 3 million dollar SF homes, middle income condo owners, renters, and a homeless guy now and then (who I now realize aren’t as scary as the media would have you believe but just someone struggling to get by). I’ve made a lot of friends in a lot of different walks of life, and they have all had an effect on my personal perspective and beliefs, so say what you will, I’m not attacking any one way of life, but for me living in a gated community or the burbs, isn’t living in reality.If my man H. D. Thoreau were alive today I’m sure his quote would read:“I went to the city because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.”Thoughts? (What-cha got for me?)
P.S, I hope you HeavyTrash guys take the time to read all of these comments and then try again. Your Stair project was much more sucessful as a statement and it looked cool too. -FDR
Maybe instead of wasting your time building confusing looking orange structures you could work on getting rid of the crime, trash, pan handlers, sex offenders, stray dogs and solicitors that roam non gated communities you could actually make a difference.....a difference not a statement. You represent what is wrong with America today...whinny unemployed folks who would rather whine and yell fire instead of hauling the water to put it out.
Where I live, I'm paying home owner's association fees and Mello Roos to get the fuck away from scum like you who think they can use our (private) streets and our (private) sidewalks.Who gives a fuck about public access when we're talking about a private community.Wake up and smell the roses people. This is America, and we can do what the fuck we want, and we can live where the fuck we want, and we can put up gates to stop who the fuck we want from coming into our neighborhood.
I think this is fabulous. We as a society could benefit greatly from examining the ways we live in fear and the mistaken assumption many have that we "should" be safe, that we "should" have X or Y possession, etcetera. The materialism and greed in this culture are skyrocketing, causing greater and greater separation.Where will it stop? Will we go back to the feudal systems of Medieval Europe? What about the race and class separatism advocated in such a choice? Will it advance until we repeat the mistakes of the Third Reich? I believe in freedom as well as responsibility, but I think these people may be ignoring the latter part of the deal. They may also have little or no understanding of what it would be like if the shoe were on the other foot. However, I believe the poison goes deeper: I think they forget that those on other "class" levels are just as human as they.Thank you for providing these conversation pieces. I am hopeful that they get sufficient attention and spur enough conversation so that those on all sides are further educated on the subject.
This helps prove my earlier point, that fear is the primary motivation for living in a gated community. So don’t be mad at these angry posters or the residents of these walled communities, show some compassion people, feel sorry for them, I know I do. They are so fearful of “crime, trash, pan handlers, sex offenders, stray dogs” new ideas, that they can only manage to live in a small world of like minds and angry postings.The world is my oyster son.
Great job, guys. Are any of you involved with Culture Jammers? This sounds like a similar purpose.
I completely side with people saying this is a big waste of time and resources. I create and think on art every waking moment; gated communities remove themselves from others, I get it. I have tinted windows on my car, but I don't want someone all over my car trying to look in. Privacy and private property should be respected. Though I think this project is mildly thought provoking, it does not deliver any real resonating message.
Lame. If you really want to do the world some good, use your resources and abilities to help build homes for the homeless and the needy. This tower thing is just a cry for attention. This is why parents should pay attention to their children more... They grow up fixated on public attention. If you have kids, drop what you are doing and spend the next 15 minutes talking, or reading with them.
anonymity is for cowards. if you're trying to make a statement, use your names. Madeleine Delsom
Madeline, If you live in WY, that is why I am not posting a last name... The internet can be a very scary place. Especially on message boards with extremists (Liberal and Conservative) - MikeAnd if you do live there, I would edit the last message and just use your first name...
You claim that there is a distinction between single homes and a walled community. I counter any distinction is artificial and meaningless. There is a continuum from a single house on a property to a walled community. You can share a single house with no driveway between 5 owners. You can have a home with a private road (driveway), a home with a house trailer, a home with a mother-in-law cottage, or a mansion with three guest houses, a beach house, a boat house with live-in crew, and servants’ quarters all connected by roads you own.. You can own an apartment building and a home on the same property. You can own two houses and a condo where the tenants own their condo. You can own a house and share a portion of the driveway with a neighbor. You can own a house, your sister can own a house, and you both could share a third. Your whole family can own houses, and share title to a strip of property with a road connecting them. Strangers can own houses with driveways, and share title to the roads connecting them. Statistically speaking there may be more single homes and walled communities, but legally speaking every one can all exist. Somehow you are making a moral separation between single home and walled communities based on the premise that they are somehow different, without addressing the rest of the continuum. I can’t see how your premise that single homes are not the same as walled communities has been proven, and reject your resultant moral distinction as well.You claim walled communities lower democracy. I counter we do not live in a democracy and the point is meaningless. We do not live in a democracy, we live in a republic. Although they share some of the same characteristics, they are not equivalent. Even though all men are created equal, as individual men they may gain statue, wealth, and power. They may have a greater influence on the people representing us than other “equals.” As a republic the concept of equal applies to selecting the representatives, not influencing them. Being equal does not mean being equally rich. We do not live in a communistic society; we live in a capitalistic one. If wealthy people want to buy enough land to make a community they can. As long as protected civil rights aren’t infringed (like race, poverty isn’t protected from discrimination) they can exclude whoever they want from the community. The walls are just physical representations of the differences in wealth and values. In our capitalist republic, people have the right to have values that amass and preserve wealth, and use that wealth in the pursuit of happiness, even to the extent of buying streets, walls, and parks. So you get rid of the walls - the yards get bigger. Get rid of the yards and they’ll live on islands. Your little towers attach a symptom of a bigger issue in a curious but meaningless Don Quixote manner.Our society is classified by wealth, and those classifications are reinforced by various value systems. Those value systems are often reinforced by wealth in turn. You can’t break the cycle by saying “look at those walls – they must come down!” Unless the wealthy have the ability to force their value systems on others, to homogenize society, they will reserve their wealth to themselves and separate themselves from society at large.It is difficult for democracy to exist without having a society that is to some degree homogeneous and I think the real issue you are attempting to address. The really wealthy have always been separated. Every city has “mansion areas”. Take a slow drive down one of the “public” streets, and see how fast that off-duty cop pulls you over! What we are seeing is a heterogeneous separation of what remains of the upper-middle class from the rest of society. Taking a lesson from the wealthy, they have learned to self-tax (HOAs, special tax districts, property appreciation) and distance themselves from the masses. I am assuming your point is that there are more people who are not wealthy that who are wealthy, so we should tear down the walls, convert HOA dues to taxes, buy the privately-owned streets and parks with tax money, and let everyone share equally? We will be better off – a sort of communism for the public infrastructure? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Let the wealthy buy the streets! Let the wealthy buy the parks! Let the poor use them.This is what I think really scares you – what if the wealthy and upper-middle go off and leave us with the bill for the dregs of society? What if taxes drop, HOA dues go up, and private highways connect walled areas? In your fear you hope to make a change by pointing fingers from your orange towers.Note: communism failed. Citation: Soviet Union. People will not create and amass wealth unless they gain an advantage, like walls and guards to keep (real or imagined) crack heads and homeless people away. This is the classic problem with you orange-tower (or is it ivory-tower) theorists. Maybe because you can only get jobs teaching kids or working for the government you suddenly you think you can teach and govern everyone in your private lives. (Had to throw in one logical fallacy for fun – look at all the fun your crew had with them – orange towers my ass.)Don’t forget that final part of the scientific theory – the part that says it must be measured and confirmed. It is easy to come up with “what should be” and forget “what is real”. Every system mankind builds amasses wealth in a select few. It will happen. If you want the wealthy and the upper-middle to fund social problems, you need to provide an incentive. Otherwise they will stop funding social problems and build even more walls – like jails! Make a deal – if you give society the wall money for homeless babies, we’ll pass a law giving you special access to restricted streets in your neighborhood, and allow you the right to hire police to enforce it. If you pay over $4000 in property taxes you can call yourself an earl. If you give us your privately-owned streets you can drive 10 miles over the speed limit on them when they are public. Give up something! After all, you aren’t the teachers, or the governors, you’re the beggars.
If I wanted to live in a poor Third World Communist country I would move to Cuba! Get off your ass and work to live in a better place or shut your beef jerky hole and wallow in your crime-ridden gutter. Quit hating on those who are willing to work for a better place for their kids. You are the kind of people those in gated communities are trying to escape from.
Longridge Estates in Sherman Oaks is trying to gate itself. The private security already harrass nonresidents for driving through (What are you doing here? What do you have in your trunk? etc.) Voice your opinion at the Sherman Oaks Homeowners Association!
I have heard a lot of people commenting that gated communities somehow are a way for people to ditch their responsibility to society. I would love to actually hear that explained and defined. How is living in a gated community socially irresponsible? These people pay their taxes, probably a lot higher percentage of taxes than a lot of people who bitch about gated communities. How about this- stop whining about people who work for a living and get some PERSONAL resposibility, like a job, and quit idealizing Marx.Oh, and I love the quote:"When public services and even local government are privatized, when the community of responsibility stops at the gates, the function and the very idea of democracy are threatened...." ad nauseumHmm, let's think about what has happened with the TSA and airport screening. This is a link to a great article about a study documenting that privately contracted screeners do a better job:http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2005/04/27/news/screeners.htmlWhen public services are privatized, THINGS GET DONE. CORRECTLY. How many astronauts does NASA have to murder before socialists get it? This tower crap sounds like misguided, immature idealism to me. People have the right to live wherever they want. If you don't like gated communities, don't live in one.
This reminds me of stalkers of celebrities....hanging around their (nicer than your) homes, looking over fences....
Hmm, this reminds me of a lecture by Bernard Loomer on communities and linear verses relational models, I highly recommend you read him, here is the cite I had for him for my recent graduate paper: Loomer, Bernard M. (1976). Two Kinds of Power. Criterion: A Publication of Divinity School of the University of Chicago, Vol 15, No 1, Winter 1976, 14. This is a very powerful piece about changing how we relate to each other, and thus changing our communities.
Regardless of whether you think these guys are wrong or right... or just wasting time, I for one am glad to see someone voicing their opinion and acting on it. If more people did that, we might actually be able to change things that matter.
thats what i was thinking, theyve identified what they think is a problem and theyre doing something about it. "why not feed the poor, help the homeless" -if youre suggesting this, why not go out and do that yourself? assess other problems, theyre assessing their own.
Come to Las Vegas! Almost every "planned community" or subdivision here is gated.
This is just sad. A gated community is an enhancement, not a determent.
Posted yesterday but couldn't get this thought of of my head. If it was a large coalition of architects blah blah blah, instead of building viewing platforms why aren't they building additions to their open, unlocked homes with no doors or windows for the general public to share some of their private space with. Or maybe some of the homeless they built steps for.....did you build yourselves a doorway and welcome everyone in your homes also? I didn't see any websites or protests or big orange signs saying any big hearted humanitarian designers have done that in the recent past. Perhaps you might want to add a link to where you have done that also, I would love to set up a snazzy purple and black viewing platform in front of your open house. Photos and directions same as your have for these nice communities would be appreciated. Show us how to do it "correctly" like you do and can follow your example.By the way, gated communities are not just for the wealthy. Every day I drive by the local Naval Air Station and see the big gates and guns (doesn't my tax money pay for the roads and houses in there also?) and would love to take a Sunday drive. Also, plenty of mid priced apartments and house and low income rentals in gated communities also. But I suppose then you would argue it is to keep the people IN.Sounds like a bad case of sour grapes to me.
Reading these postings makes me so glad that I'm European!How come all of you right wing, new born christians refuse to see that YOU are acting in the same way as you accuse "heavytrash" to do when you have oppinions about gay-marriage, abortions and so on? You are trying to impose YOUR way of live on others...Finally I belive that "heavytrash" aren't critizising the individuals living in gated communitys but wants to raise the question if it's good for the society as a hole...
Those living in gated communities pay their taxes just like most others. As far as I'm concerned,it is their streets and if they want to close them off to rapist, murders, thugs and robbers as well as the general public, that is their right.
Beautiful statement...inspiring for our group in Richmond: www.akaconnect.net. Rock on.Citizen 15425
What you guys do is awsome, keep it up. Don't listen to the ignorant.
Sorry, But You're WrongWhile I can appreciate the effort put forth to draw public attention to serious issues via art/design PR stunts, the truth of the matter is that Heavytrash and other proponents of the “smart growth” philosophy are just plain wrong. Most of the hard evidence points to “suburban sprawl” and gated communities make people safer and happier than the mixed use urban utopia alternatives. For a more balanced view point, and one based more upon facts and less on conventional liberal wisdom, check out this Policy Analysis from the Cato Institute: http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa365.pdfBefore you bash me as a right winger, I have voted Democrat in every presidential election, and usually vote Libertarian in local elections. I said “conventional liberal wisdom” because the supposed evils of suburban sprawl is accepted as fact by those who identify themselves as liberal. They assume it as true, not based upon facts, or concrete data, but based upon popular conventional wisdom of the day. I urge all of you who just assume the views of heavytrash are correct please read the above policy analysis and then re-think your views.
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